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No ID no sale... No ID no problem. [Mar. 28th, 2009|03:26 pm]
Mark Rimmell
Those of us who are of legal age to drink and unfortunate enough to look our age or older aren't really having much of a problem with the new "No ID no, sale" policy of various shops and pubs. However a few friends (in their 30s!) do seem to be having trouble. Most annoying if you've popped down the shops for some sevruga caviar and a bottle of Chateau Mouton-Rothschild Jeroboam.

For those people who don't drive or don't want to take their passport with them just to pop down the shops it seems there is (what claims to be) an official ID, but looking at the website... it seems like one hell of a lot of faffing about and little there convinces me it's even genuine... For all I know it's an elaborate scam. Even if it is genuine I really wouldn't feel comfortable sending the amount of information they require along with my credit/debit card number for some Muppet to leave on the bus along with the private details of 450,000 other people.

Of course the under age wine connoisseur has no problem obtaining a fake ID which looks better than some of the official ID cards around. There are dozens of sites just like this one offering "novelty" driving licences and such like. Very handy if you're 15 and fancy driving your mates down to the Dordogne on a tour of vineyards.

I do find myself wondering if you order one of the "fake" Proof of Age cards (driving licences are another matter) and all the info contained on the card is genuine... Is it really a fake one?

The fake ones are cheaper and there's no faffing around finding an eligible verifier to sign your photographs, photocopying your birth certificate, passport, driving licence, medical card etc... and no need to send credit card details, because they take postal orders.

So if challenged for ID you offer one of these "fake" IDs or one you've designed yourself and printed out on your inkjet and laminated and it contains all genuine information I can't see any problem. Of course the retailer isn't under any obligation to serve you even if you have the "real" citizen card.

If I have time later I'll tell a little story that involves ID cards, it's about two train journeys I made a few years ago. If I don't have time to write it here, buy me a drink next time you see me at a pub or club and I'll tell you the whole story. But that may depend on you having some ID on you to buy me a pint.
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[User Picture]From: liz_lowlife
2009-03-28 04:51 pm (UTC)
I am getting sick and tired of it. Yes- I know I look a LOT younger than I really am and should be pleased, but Heavens To Betsy, someone who is nearer 40 than 30 SHOULD NOT have to carry ID damnit! And when I do tell them my real age, they often laugh and don't believe me!

I trust this was sparked by Leanne's experiences? I mean, to old codgers like us, she actually *is* a spring chicken! But at the age of 30 one would think one had earned the right not to carry ID!
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[User Picture]From: markrimmell
2009-03-28 05:18 pm (UTC)
It's been on my mind since Lee-Anne's experience in one of our local pubs and yeah it's not the asking for ID it's the way staff are doing it and how they react... Laughing at and mocking the customer really isn't on.

Of course I'm an old punk and the idea of being compelled to carry ID really pisses me off. This country got rid of National Identity cards after the war because of the resentment they caused and the needless cost. I really think this is about persuading us we need ID cards. The government has already said they want consumer demand to be lead the way for roll of of the national ID card. I knew that wasn't going to mean the government would sit back passively and wait for us to all come to our senses... This is the thin end of the wedge of coercion.

I can't help wondering if there any connection with the Citizen Card and any bidders for the National Identity Card? It would be a good way of getting your foot in the door for one of the most lucrative government contracts for decades.
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[User Picture]From: sallypointzero
2009-03-28 05:37 pm (UTC)
Trouble with that is, I can't nip in for a Snickers without being asked by a posse of pubescents to buy their liquor for them
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[User Picture]From: markrimmell
2009-03-28 06:03 pm (UTC)
Yeah been there many a time. I ask them if they will bail me out if I get arrested. Then I complain to the shop keeper... Hopefully he'll call the police.

However we should remember these could be 30 somethings who haven't any ID on them ;-)
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[User Picture]From: morbidfrog
2009-03-30 08:55 am (UTC)
i have been considering getting one of this proof of age one recently as i just get hassle every time i buy wine in sainsbury...and i really do not want to constantly carry my passport with me at all time and even my ID really much too large to fit in my purse...
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[User Picture]From: markrimmell
2009-03-30 12:48 pm (UTC)
Get a fake one. I'm fascinated to know if it would be accepted and what they would do if they suspected it wasn't official. If the fake one contains genuine information and photo... is it fake? If the real card is voluntary the only thing that makes it real is if it's accepted.

I know I'm being mischievous but the whole National ID card thing really needs a bit of playing with just so people don't become resigned to the inevitability of an ID obsessed State. Devalue people's confidence in the cards and undermine the whole stupid idea before they spend billions of pounds of our money on a system that will be full of fake identities from the day they roll it out.
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[User Picture]From: morbidfrog
2009-03-30 12:52 pm (UTC)
just looked at your link..so much hassle with getting the form sign...for that citizen card especially considering i am in my 30's and just seem unable to buy wine when i want to..

might have to revert to carry my French id..a bit of a pain because of the format...at least in France being required to carry it at all time you do..but here you don't have ID so a bit odd to need to carry something you do not have or need to !!!

but sick of having to see a manager and try to make them believe i am old enough...
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[User Picture]From: markrimmell
2009-03-30 02:53 pm (UTC)
Get the fake one, no need to find an acceptable verifier to sign your photographs, no need to dig out birth certificate, passport, driving licence, medical card etc... and no need to send credit card details.

Also there's no offence being committed if you have all genuine details on the fake one... and best of all it's cheaper! I'm betting the stores will accept the fake one.
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[User Picture]From: morbidfrog
2009-03-30 03:10 pm (UTC)
i guess so..never had a fake ID....seem wrong but then it is a very silly situation :)
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[User Picture]From: markrimmell
2009-03-30 03:21 pm (UTC)
But if it contains genuine information is it really fake?

The retailer may not accept it... but are they under any obligation to accept the so called real one?

If you are at all doubtful run the idea by a solicitor... you can get half and hour for free from most.



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[User Picture]From: markrimmell
2009-03-30 03:22 pm (UTC)
I am not talking about the drivers licences... or work permits. They are a completely different matter.
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[User Picture]From: morbidfrog
2009-03-30 03:25 pm (UTC)
i see your point...at least i have both a passport and Id but i need to remember to keep it in my bag...in the future or if i go shopping...not sure can be asked all those efforts to prove i am over 18...when i am bloody 34
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