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Second rant of the day... [Dec. 10th, 2007|11:14 am]
Mark Rimmell
Confusion on the trains caused by Oyster cards.

Last night on the way up to London the ticket inspector came round. Once again people were were trying to use Oyster cards from Richmond on Southwest Trains to Waterloo. Oyster cards are a bit of a mystery to me and the only time they come to my notice is when someone is having a problem with one. The inspector was getting a little pissed off with all the people not understanding that they couldn't use their cards on the service. The guy next to me said he'd read you could use your oyster card from Richmond now. Well to cut a long story short, the confusion (there's been a lot of it) is down to the renaming of the North London line to "London Overground". For as long as I can remember people in London have made the distinction between the tube and what was British Rail above ground suburban services by calling it the "overground". So when they announced "you can now use your Oyster Card on "London Overground" people took it to mean all none tube lines running a suburban service into and out of London. This was explained to the inspector by another passenger who spoke with some authority on the subject even name dropping Senior management of 2 rail companies.

[User Picture]From: ian_wyrdness
2007-12-10 12:54 pm (UTC)
I can see why it's confusing, but it's actually pretty simple. You can use an Oystercard on the new 'London Overground' train service run by Transport For London (TFL). South West Trains are a separate company which don't accept Oystercard.
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-12-10 02:06 pm (UTC)
Trouble is many Londoners read the adverts about London Overground and assume they are talking about all the overground services... Bit of a dumb name really if they'd thought about it. It's been in used as a generic term for too long.

A manager at one firm issued all the staff with Oyster cards because of it. At least that seemed to be what 4 guys were telling the inspector the other day. They were from Yorkshire working for a London company.

I do wonder if this is deliberate to cause as much confusion as possible. TfL wanted all rail in the zones 1-6 on Oyster. But didn't offer enough to the rail operators to install the readers (at least the rail operators say it wasn't enough). I note it's South West Trains people are pissed off with and not TfL.
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[User Picture]From: nemesis_to_go
2007-12-10 05:06 pm (UTC)
A few years ago certain suburban lines around saaaarf London were branded 'Overground Network'. Signs were placed outside the stations (there's one at St. Margarets)...and nobody much noticed.

The Overground Network, however, is entirely different to the London Overground, although some parts of the London Overground were previously part of the Overground Network. Other parts of the London Overground were part of the London Underground. This should not be confused with those parts of the London Underground which run on tracks which are part of the Overground Network. It should be noted here that while much of the London Underground is actually overground, certain parts of the London Overground in fact run underground.

Can we bring back Network South East?
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[User Picture]From: markrimmell
2007-12-11 11:51 pm (UTC)
Hi Romi...

Yeah... Pah to Oyster!

Oyster will be good when it's finished, right now it's not much use to those of us out side the tube zone.

Added you too. I'm well and loving every moment.
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-12-12 12:32 pm (UTC)
Well exactly, hope to see you soon again!
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